Ann and Bob are having a disagreement.

“Clearly,” says Ann, “The empirical world is a trap from which we must escape, because it is, ultimately, immutable.”

“Clearly,” says Bob, “The world of our perceptions is a trap from which we must escape, because it is, ultimately, unreliable.”

“Fortunately,” says Ann, “We have a realm of culture and language which we CAN control. The more we devote ourselves to such things, the more perfectly human we will be.”

“Fortunately,” says Bob, “We have systems of logic and mathematics, upon which we CAN rely. The more we devote ourselves to such things, the more perfectly human we will be.”

Which one is right?

Perhaps more importantly… why aren’t they listening to one another?

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